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    No DNA match for Argentine publisher's children

    BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (AP) — After an epic legal battle, tests on blood and saliva from the adopted children of one of Latin America's most powerful media figures have so far not shown any matches to victims of the Argentine dictatorship.

    Lawyers for Grupo Clarin owner Ernestina Herrera de Noble say the failure to find a definitive match among all the DNA provided by families of victims who disappeared in 1975 and 1976 proves she's been falsely accused of illegally adopting babies stolen from political prisoners who were later killed.

    Opponents of President Cristina Fernandez also pounced Saturday, saying the partial results show the government has persecuted the publisher and her adopted children in a failed attempt to gain control of Argentina's news media.

    The Clarin conglomerate celebrated in its newspapers, websites and television and radio stations, all but claiming victory after many years of legal battles with Fernandez's center-left government.

    "The results are conclusive," said Jorge Anzorreguey, a lawyer representing her adoptees, Marcela and Felipe Noble. "These children will not be linked to families of the disappeared from the military regime."

    Not so fast, human rights groups said. The Grandmothers of the Plaza de Mayo said scientists still had work to do at the national gene bank where families of the disappeared have donated their DNA. Comparisons to 1977 victims must be done, and the rights group suggested more material may be sought from relatives of several victims for whom test results were inconclusive.

    Marcela and Felipe Noble — now 35, according to their official adoption papers — have fiercely defended Herrera de Noble, 84, whose media conglomerate has long been locked in a no-holds-barred power struggle with Fernandez. The president, in turn, counts the Grandmothers as a close political ally and has made a priority of prosecuting the crimes of the 1976-83 dictatorship.

    The Grandmothers have helped identify 104 children who were stolen at birth from political prisoners in clandestine detention centers and adopted by people sympathetic to the military regime, using falsified documents. It believes 400 others have yet to be found, and have long treated the Nobles as an emblematic case.

    If it could be proved that Herrera de Noble knowingly adopted her children under such circumstances, she could be found guilty of a crime against humanity under Argentine law. But without a DNA match to their birth families, the most she could be convicted of is falsifying paperwork, a crime whose statute of limitations has long since expired.

    Argentina's genetic database includes hundreds of DNA samples and is constantly being updated despite the military junta's efforts to remove any trace of their opponents. This year alone the Grandmothers group sought court orders to open 40 more graves to collect DNA. But information is still lacking for most of the junta's 13,000 victims.

    "The National Bank of Genetic Data communicated last night that in three of the 55 families whose genetic profile was compared to that of Marcela, it can't be determined whether or not there's a biological link with the young woman, and that parentage also could not be determined with one of the 57 families compared to the profile of Felipe," the Grandmothers announced.

    "The genetic information of these three families must be completed to determine whether or not Felipe and Marcela maintain parentage with them," the group said, adding that many families don't know if their daughters were pregnant when they disappeared.

    "State terror erased all traces of the disappeared and their descendants," the group said. "The puzzle is being solved thanks to information that society provides, but in many cases it's impossible to complete."

    The Grandmothers have challenged the Nobles' official adoption stories in court since 1984.

    Herrera de Noble swore that Marcela was left at her doorstep in a cardboard box on May 2, 1976, and that she heard the baby crying and brought her inside. She said Felipe was handed over as a newborn by her single mother in the courthouse while she was adopting Marcela. But witnesses the publisher cited didn't fully back the story about Marcela, and the identity numbers of Felipe's supposed birth mother gave belonged to a man. The judge who approved both adoptions died long ago.

    Their papers say they were born in March and July 1976, respectively, but activists allege that the birth dates could have been invented to obscure their origin and that Felipe might have been born in 1977.

    Ricardo Alfonsin, the president's leading challenger in elections Oct. 23, told a Clarin-owned radio station that the publisher's accusers "have never been interested in knowing the truth." Former president Eduardo Duhalde, running third in opinion polls, told Clarin's Todo Noticias channel that Fernandez has attacked her media rival "with the entire arsenal of state power."

    Francisco de Narvaez, a businessman running against Fernandez's ally for Buenos Aires governor, said the Nobles have been persecuted politically.

    "This government has demonstrated that it has used the state to construct an image of noble causes, but behind this is only dedicated to perpetuating itself in power," de Narvaez said.

    But Grandmothers' founder Estela de Carlotto told the independent Radio Continental that her group has always said only that the younger Nobles "could be" children of disappeared.

    "Never have we claimed what isn't proved, because that's how it is. Unfortunately, this has been going on for so many years that it has been politicized, for many logical reasons," she said.

    The publisher herself has rarely spoken out on the case. One of her lengthier declarations came in January 2003, after she was briefly jailed. She said she was being abused by the judiciary, but wrote of "the legitimate desire of the Grandmothers to know if my children were taken from the detained and disappeared."

    "I've spoken with my children many times about the possibility that they and their parents were victims of illegal repression. And I've always told them that I would support any decision they make," Herrera de Noble wrote in Clarin, a letter the Grandmothers' group highlighted on its website Saturday.

    Lawyers for the Noble family said the case should now be thrown out.

    But Alan Iud, an attorney for the Grandmothers, has said DNA comparisons must continue indefinitely under the law.

    Friday night, Judge Sandra Arroyo denied a request by the Noble family's lawyers to order the genetic database lab's scientists to keep working through Argentina's winter judicial holiday. The decision buys human rights groups some time to seek more samples from victims' families.

    "The Grandmothers continue to be cautious and hopeful about new comparisons and the possibility of more complete data in the bank, so that not only the Grandmothers but also Marcela and Felipe can finally know whether or not they're the children of the disappeared," the group said.

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    38 comments

    • humus  •  10 months ago
      Not looking into the children of the disappeared families Would be just like Israel not seeking extradition of ex-nazis. It would be just like forgiving the Khimer Rouge for their unforgivable acts in Cambodia. Any country that has allowed their leaders to run amok has to go through this or they stay dirty.. .
      • Yachtman 10 months ago
        I agree, but the terrorist must alsa be accountable for their attrocities. They have killed as many as the military. Justice for all, and not for only one side.
      • A_Nonny_Moose 10 months ago
        Here in America after the Bush Administration, we apparently like to stay dirty.
    • livewire  •  10 months ago
      Skylar Duncan, is it that you can't read, add, or both? The "children" ARE grown up (35 yrs. old). Furthermore, it seems they have no desire or need to know about biological parents that had nothing to do with their upbring.
      • livewire 10 months ago
        upbringing*
      • Amanda 10 months ago
        Totally agree with Jill. They don't want to know!! Hint it is their right. They're law abiding adult citizens who are being forced to give up their private DNA!!!! I for one wouldn't want to give anyone my genetic makeup to people bent on getting their way no matter what.
    • JAS  •  10 months ago
      Purely political harassment! The brothers are adults and have not committed a crime and should be allowed their privacy!
    • Pneumatic  •  10 months ago
      No match? I suppose no one will bother truly apologizing for putting them through hell for the past years. Words, just words. It is all political.
      • glen 10 months ago
        Attacking the media that you don't like? No that hasn't happened here OR has it Mr Hussain Obama.
    • lady-like  •  10 months ago
      Sometimes adoptive children are right. What if they find out they are a product of incest, rape, or something not in the range of normal? Leave it alone, accept the loss of your child, even if one of these is your child, do you think they would want anything to do with you? Are they going to leave their lifestyle behind to live in a poor home? Are you expecting some monetary refund?
    • Skylar Duncan  •  10 months ago
      Does anyone really care about the children? Are the Grandmother's going to take them away from the only parents they know and give them to strangers? Leave the children alone. If they want to pursue this when they grow up, fine. Enough stress and misery has already been put on them.
      • Skylar Duncan 10 months ago
        Sounds like a political axe to grind between the Pres and the publisher...the Pres obviously does not care about the children.
      • Alejandra 10 months ago
        Read closely, thhey were born in 1976, which makes them 35 years old by now? these are not children, but adults.
      • Alaskan 10 months ago
        They have already grown up... they are both 35 years old.
    • Bmw  •  10 months ago
      They don't look like they are suffering, why don't people respect the rights of these two people.
    • kf  •  10 months ago
      You can't determine your own identity. You are who you are, like it or not. It is sad that these children would rather identify with their parents' killers. Obviously they are not made of the same stuff as Moses was.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  10 months ago
      Everything comes to light... Sooner , rather than later the World will know the atrocities commited by USA on Iraq and Afghanistan.Thousands and thousands of Iraqi and Afghan orphans got their identities changed by USA and its lackeys.
    • KA SHO HAWK 66  •  10 months ago
      This article talks about illegal kidnapping of hiers and heiresses ,in a round about way-it is OFFICIALY Internationaly illegal.-it happens in the US also.I am a US UN Peacekeeper,and my child was kidnapped by a terrorist because my family owns a large corp. and resort -that is what is causeing the economy problems in the US.
    • Samore  •  10 months ago
      Children will not normally approve of being stolen from their families and their parents being murdered. The "Noble" children are clearly suffering from Stockholm syndrome - sympathy with an abuser (anyone remember Dugard?). The truth must come out.
    • iowan4u1234  •  10 months ago
      These grandmother are hateful people, To force adults to undergo dna testing against their will is awful. Leave the children of the so called lost alone. Only if they request a dna check should it go forward. Think how these two young adults have suffered at the hands of the govt and this group. It is not the childrens welfare they are interested in but revenge.
    • NorteAmericano  •  10 months ago
      Do you people think that Cristina Kirchner or the "Abuelas de Plaza de Mayo" even CARE about the truth? Of course not. This charade is all based on revenge by the new "Eva Peron" (As she sees herself) and the corrpupt old #$%$ with the handkerchiefs who are all millionaires at this point with their exploitation of the situation. That country is a JOLE.
    • Everyday Joe  •  10 months ago
      They are determined to find something, anything, to continue to make these people's lives hell. And what if they do prove the children were born to victims of the repression? What then? Can they prove the adoptive mother knew it? And what will be the children's response? Probably they will have nothing to do with the biological family because of the way their mother is being treated. What a shame.
    • D.T  •  10 months ago
      I wonder if the courrupt goverment officials have put a price on the head of the children, now that they fight for thier rightfull parents becuse they lo9ve them. Still Im wonder what Right these strange interlopers these human rights people sticking thier usless big assbag mounths into the affiers of otherm peoples lives weather they are wanted thier or not. Hey give the world a break stick a gun into your mouths and pull the triger, get out of others lives where you hve no right being. Austa la BYE BYE crud for brains....
    • Jack!  •  10 months ago
      is Rupert trying to by in to the Paper?
    • Huge  •  10 months ago
      That military Junta , one of several US puppets dictatorships, applied the doctrine of the forced dissapearance of people.Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Guatemala, El Salvador, etc, etc, the "Mubaraks" of Latin America and a common mentor... US Imperialism.
      Millons of abductions and assasinations and a common master... US Imperialism .
    • Janet  •  10 months ago
      I saw a movie about this a long time ago but cannot remember what it was called.
    • Ast En  •  10 months ago
      Did they materialize out of nowhere? the next step should be to see what the next closest dna grouping they relate to and go to people of that grouping and find out whose loved ones were "dis-appeared". This would be the only way to back trace who these young people belong to. Its painful to see that the adoptive parents are not making more of an effort that goes beyond their selfish victimhood perception that they are being politically witch-hunted.
    • Robbie  •  10 months ago
      So what if the evidence proves the human rights #$%$ wrong - they should be allowed to interfere with their lives as long as they want - they have the mojo of touchy-feely-happy on their side.

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